'If we feel our enemies want to endanger Iran's national interests, and want to decide to do that, we will act without waiting for their actions'
Iran threatens pre-emptive action amid nuclear tensions
Seeded on Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:16 AM EST (msnbc.com)


Maybe these guys are suicidal? Or just awful damn stupid as this seems to be a direct threat against The USA at a time when they really should be trying to somehow back out of the situation they are in and at the same time save face. I am against US. military action against these religious muslims in Tehran but really I wouldn't blame Israel one bit as it is obvious that all life in Israel will be endangered when the devout muslims that rule Iran get nuclear weapons.
Perhaps they think that if war breaks out, the US will spend billions on improving iran. After all the marshall plan after WWll worked wonders for europe and asia.
What a messed up article- links and fragments all over.
That being said, does any of this surprise you?? Iran is looking for a war, so they'll take it via proxies, an attack on them, or now by attacking others. The facts are the facts, Iran wants the US destroyed- they've said it. They aren't our friends, they are developing nuclear weapons, they are developing long range missiles, and they are vowing to take out our/our allie's bases.
They said they'd do it this year and I believe them.
Iran is not afraid because Russia is backing it up, and if anyone thinks that America can "just" kick the Russians backsides, well... heheh... go for it!
Russia will not even consider going against the US because they know it could really get ugly, conventional weapons could turn nuclear then what ? The Russians are not stupid people and will not risk something like that over a country that thought they could just destabilize the world with their primitive ways and culture, well guess We ain't taking any of their BS, and are waiting for them to do something stupid .............
The U.S. and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran's nuclear program.
Start the draft. We are tired of BS. Israel needs to try to get along with neighbors. AND we should stay out of the business of Iran. They are not threatening the US. -only if we interfere- Stop listening to the BS of the Republicans, that are always interested in taking us to UNPROVOKED wars.
Haven't we learned anything after 10 years in Iraq???
Get ready to pay $10.00 a gallon if we are so DUMB to go to war again. Never mind all the BS of having a balanced budget in 10 years. All of that will go to the toilet.
Right. Just look how well that worked in Iraq. Have they got electricity yet?
You do know of course that the US has the exact same policy that if they think someone is going to attack them they will attack first.....but that's OK because they are right.
Stop listening to this war mongering for profit!
Israel needs to take care of these clowns once and for all...
A few Mossad agents, CIA, MI6, British SAS, Israeli's Shayatet 13, Bristish Desert rats mixed in with our Navy Seals and Delta force; an overwhelming barrage of depleted atmospheric thermonuclear MOABs, and it will be over in 6 days...no bunkers can survive 1 million degrees of shear heat and pissed off Jews....I can see them begging for mercy
@Shandril
Majority of Americans do not want war with Iran. It's not because we are afraid of Iran or the Russians. Which by the way wouldn't stand a chance against our military. Great example look at what the USA has lost in Afghanistan war, then look at what the Russians lost in about the same amount of time when they were in Afghanistan (29,204 KIA, 53,753 injuried, 415932 sick, 147 Tanks, 451 aircraft, 1314 IFV/APCs, 433 Artillery, 11,369 cargo/fuel tankers) (USA loses: 1,770 KIA, 15,138 injured, vehicles I was not able to get numbers for just Afghanistan but with Iraq and Afghan together no where close to the Russians lose) And their technology hasn't improved very much since then, remember the collapse of the Soviet Union destroyed them, they have been playing catch up ever since. So we Americans are not worried about Russia either, we are just tired of war. That is why we are trying sanctions
Has everyone forgotten China's role in this?
Get real, the U.S. doesn't even get oil from Iran this is a European Union issue more than ours, true we have pledged to back Israel but if they decide to go it alone they will be alone.
I don't believe Obama would back down if the Iranian threat becomes real toward the U.S. Also don't count on the sabre rattling to cease, I do feel a diplomatic resolution will prevail.
If Israel strikes and Iran attempts to close the Straight of Hormuz I can see our involvement to reopen shipping but hopefully that will only be provided under the U.N. flag.
we might not get oil from iran, but a lot of what we do get goes thru the strait of hurmoz. I don't want to see us jump into another fight that lasts 10 years and does no good.
Ballance the budget,
What weapon are you refering too? Has Iran denied wanting a nuclear weapon , I think so, yet you want to believe the same people who drug us into Iraq for the weapons of mass detruction there ?
Not our concern but you should get educated on your own government or at least get a clue for yourself.
And so the PR begins to justify yet another war.
America can no longer afford to be the police force of the world.
This seems to be the latest and most important thing going on right now. The END of the world as we know it will occur if in fact Israel goes against the advice of the USA and Europe and attacks Iran. The reality is we will not intervene and we will say " we told you so". We have made it clear that this is not the stage or time in which to do such a thing. They are banking on the fact that we still have a huge military presence in Afghanistan that we are about to start calling home. They want to make sure we do not pull our boys home and have to send them back out for Israel. They are in fact trying to operate our military by proxy and should be left alone if they strike against our advice/warning.
The world is full of clowns, i think everyone should wear clown and sheep outfits, what a screwed up world you would think with all the suffering the world has endured over the years people would wake up look, where its headed i see, to bad most didnt but stack your money let greed prevail there already is no love look at divorce the things people are doing to children and adults if there was going to be a history after this generation i wonder what they would say about us lol we are suppose to be so smart and intellegent i have not seen an animal wreck the planet yet but what we are doing is disgusting
It never seem's to fail the more anyone tries to negotiate with Iran the louder their threat's become. I know there is a language difference but they always seem to be on a different page.
All we can hope for is that the Iranian citizen's can do something. But I fear that nearly impossible because they set this government up to counter any revolt from a revolter's view knowing the weakness. Revolutionary guards are just that and live in a fashion worthy of dieing for even when the leaders are not.
May God bless Israel.
The Iranians are now threatening to strike first. I almost wish they would try something so that we can get this over with and put an end to their pursuit of nuclear weapons, as well as their insane leadership, once and for all. Trying to negotiate is a waste of time. All the Iranians are doing with these offers to negotiate is buying time. They are hoping to forestall any actions to stop them long enough for them to achieve their goal of building nuclear weapons.
As far as comparing Iran's statements to those of Israel, Israel has not been calling for the destruction of another nation, that is the Iranians. Does anyone really think a country should sit back and let a self proclaimed enemy bent on your total destruction develop the weapons they need to do it!!! The Iranian leadership has stated publicly, multiple times that they do not believe that Israel has any right to exist and that it is their mission to wipe Israel off the map. Does anyone really expect the Israelis to sit back and let them develop nuclear weapons to do it with.
The recent Iranian releases regarding their work on their Fordo nuclear enrichment facility makes it pretty clear that they are looking at more than civilian nuclear power. Their claim that the 20% enriched uranium they are producing is only for a research reactor is an obvious lie. This is because they have already enriched many time the amount of uranium needed to fuel this research reactor to this higher level. The only reason for this massive production of 20% enriched uranium is as a precursor to further enrichment to weapons grade. The IAEA estimates that Iran has enough uranium stock to make enough highly enriched uranium to fuel approximately 15 good sized nuclear weapons.
The Iranian efforts towards installing new generation centrifuges capable of far more rapid enrichment of uranium also clearly indicates their plans to develop nuclear weapons. Since they already have far more 20% enriched uranium than they need for peaceful purposes, the only reason for upgrading a facility designed for higher level enrichment is to facilitate production of weapons grade material. Once they have these new centrifuges installed, the time they will need to produce weapons grade material will be uncomfortably short. It ill be to the point that they could have the material produced before we could plan and execute a strike on the facility to try and stop them. In addition, this facility was built well underground, making it very hard to take out and also clearly indicating its military purpose. Peaceful nations do not build facilities like this deep underground and deny IAEA inspectors access to the facility if their purpose is peaceful.
It is time to stop screwing around and allowing the Iranians to stall with the hollow promise of talks. None of the many rounds of talks to date have resulted in any progress on getting them to stop. They have no intention of changing their plans to develop nuclear weapons and only military action will stop them.
The US pounding Iran further back into the dark ages is 30 years overdue.
That being said, it won't happen. IMO Iran has made a political calculation that Obama will not win a second term and that they will be able to obtain a better diplomatic resolution from this afministration than from the next.
Balance De Budget.
What should they be backing out of? Your "A" We were the first one to threthen them, so why cant they turn the table?. I would love for jackass like you come and tell me that I shouldn have a gun while you continue to threthen me!.. You understand why the world cannot be at peace, because of dummies like you!.
Oh, well, that settles it then. No government would ever lie, especially to those they perceive as enemies. /sarc
Iran is just one of many sources of oil for China and a competitor selling oil to Russia. I really don't think Iran has all that many friends, so to act like this is very foolish. If we eliminate these radicals running Iran, the world could be a much better place.
Let's see... we threaten Iran and allow N. Korea to develope and test nuclear weapons and do nothing... What a consitent and defendable foreign policy!
Who made us "Kings of the world?" Lets bring our troops home from everywhere, develope a military with both offensive and defensive weapons that no one can challenge and let others run their own countries. We need to look out for America and our own needs. The only friends we have made with all this BS in the past 12 years are the people who we are no so indebted to. However, we have turned the world against us.
North Korea did not take more than 40 of our embassy people hostage and hold them for more than a year. Iran is part of a world wide movement to make everything follow Islamic law, it is a danger to everyone.
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I am with you. Why all of the sabre rattling? This is ridiculous. We need another war like we need another term for George Bush. Israel has got to be more aggressive in seeking peace in that region. Yes, they have some hostile neighbors, but what did they expect given the way the State of Israel was started. Many of us in the US conveniently ignore that history. This thing has been a mess since it began. After 60+ years, Israel is a mature nation that must begin to stand on its own two feet. We are still giving them welfare payments after all of this time. In the meantime republican right wing zealots want to talk about so called "entitlement plans" that are going to US citizens. We are out of control.
Israel needs to be primarily concerned with the preservation of Israel. But, to expect the US to provide them with monetary and military support for whatever course of action they choose to take is simply unrealistic. If this alliance is so important, then Israel should always think of what position they are putting the US in as well. Right now, it looks like a pretty one sided relationship that has turned into the republican definition of an "entitlement program" for Israel.
Perhaps they think that if war breaks out, the US will spend billions on improving iran. After all the marshall plan after WWll worked wonders for europe and asia.
No, but it was in the news that valentines day is now celebrated in iraq... I think this is huge development!!!
That's all the world is waiting for. For them to actually make a move instead of threatening to. At that time action will be justified.
Feed them enough rope and they'll hang themselves sooner or later.
So... how do they feel about America taking "pre-emptive action" because WE feel our national interests are endangered? Think THEY would like that?
They are sounding like Republicans with that "double standard" mentality IMO.
Much better to reason and co-operate! [Are you paying attention here Congress?]
Every American should know- what did President Obama write in 2 (TWO) personal letters to Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Who is the latest white-washer of Iranian terror blasts in Bangkok,Thailand? Iran thanks to the whitewasher is blaming tghe terror blasts on MKO (http://english.farsnews,com/newstext.php?nn=901017549)- designated by US as a terror org. It is the continuous Obama adm. admonishments to Israel- not to attack- be patient (reminescent of another era and same mil/state people telling not to resist-it is suicidal -The Miami News on Dec.3,1939).
Why? And are you 100% sure what is said in public is what is meant to be for real?
You may also want to ask about the President's relationship with the Turkish President. Look him up. You might find his beliefs a bit shocking, and then it a bit shocking that the President is using him as a middle east czar.
Yes, remember "Peace in our time." That worked. Sticking your head in the sand to avoid addressing an issue doesn't make it go away.
You think he might be waiting for later in the year -- closer to the election.
kestrel - surely you don't think that obama would use war as a means of getting re-elected... If so I predict that if he is re-elected his next 4 years will go down in history as the longest lame duck presidency we have ever seen.
It's better than the worst Presidency ever by yer little buddy "Lil" gw bush-league and that dick, Cheney!
The previews are almost over and the theater is going dark. Lights, Camera, Wartime. One more great war on the path to self-induced eminent economic destruction. Here we go.
lookcloser03 Lights, Camera, Action: Democracy -- the theater of the Real
dont worry if they are allowed to get the weapon they want we dont have to worry about a budget there wont be a need for one I dont like war no more than the next person who has had someone who has served in war time. I have served for 11 years of Active Duty service and got my Honorable discharge and proud to serve this country in the time of war. My Unlce was blown up in a IED in Iraq. We cannot let them achieve the goal of a nuke even if it is a threat. They have Missiles that can Reach our home land the good ole USA. That is a Fact. No one on here would be saying bring our boys home we are not the worlds police if Washington DC was blown up or Miami or Memphis we cannot have another 9/11. The budget would fix itself if the world became less violent but that wont happen if this keeps getting dragged out and then the fears of the world will happen and another nuke gets used on Us. So just back the men and women of our Military and support them. They do our countries dirty work. They can protect us!
@lookcloser03 - And, in your learned opinion, the alternative is.......what, exactly? Will it lead to a better outcome if the world simply allows Iran and its sympathizers to nuke the rest of the world? "Eminent economic destruction", hell, you ain't seen "destruction" till the nukes get going. You wanna' piece of that?
I seem to recall much of the same rhetoric used by iraq in the 90's thru 2002. I also recall history books on the late 30's on how ineffective the policy of appeasement worked.
I heard the same thing with China in 1964, with India in 1967, and with Pakistan which started it's nuclear program in 1972, but didn't test it's first bomb until 1998? The genie has been out of the bottle, and all country's want one to protect themselves from invasion.
Don't worry everyone, you will get your Persian Gulf war, and I hope that you will enjoy the results.
tick...tick...tick...
It is so sad their holy man which is only a man is leading them all into hell and destruction and they all think virgins await- God says man wont need wives in heaven so so is the deal with virgins----so stupid- they need Jesus Christ if they want into heaven he is Gods only son and ONLY way in----
Imaginary friends can't do anything, buddy.
imaginary friends can play hide-and-seek with me when i have no other friends to play with!
Yes, we all know that the Christian religion has no blood on its hands.
How about we send ALL religious extremists to the holy land then release the MOABs?
oh please put a cork in it, this is part of the reason we are the way we are...my god is the right god, not yours, my gods son died for you and me, not your gods son, if he has one.
Gwarth2, do you really want to go there? My god (aka imaginary friend) is the only god. What you believe is wrong, what I believe is the only right way.
Really? All religion is nothing but myth. The world would be much more peaceful if man had never invented religion.
Hmmm....Iran says they're going to destroy Israel. Israel is threatening a pre-emptive strike to avoid being destroyed. Iran is threatening a pre-emptive strike to avoid a pre-emptive strike. Sure, that makes sense. Why don't they all just make peace!
Why don't they "just" make peaces? How, exactly? Should they "just" apologize, shake hands, and share their cookies at lunch time? Enlighten us.
Yes.
And why not? We all go to no end of trouble and expense to murder each other. If we put a small percentage of that effort into becoming friends, surely it would help.
Why do we have to keep repeating the same crap that has caused us nothing but grief throughout human history?
"Israel must be wiped off of the map," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadineja. Doesn't sound like someone who is interested in bridging differences and developing friendships.
Wise up and look at things realistically. Of course no one wants war, just because that is your desire, you can't overlook the treat.
Israel would live in peace with her neighbors. It's just that her neighbors will not have it, they want Israel eliminated. What would you do if you lived in New Jersey and all of the other surrounding states wanted you gone? Would you fight for your homeland or would you do as many Americans would tell you to do? I was raised to believe the US was great because of God, now that He has been kicked out the US is falling into a dark pit. Freedom is a fragile thing and can be destroyed and/or lost in a moment. If Obama is reelected, it will mean a majority of the american people are still against God. Just read the history of Israel from the ancient to the new. If America looses it ability to defend itself, freedom in the world will be dead. A free America may one day be the size of Vermont surrounded by enemies.
It matters not what you think you are liberal, progressive or conservative etc. Lost is lost.
Make peace with the Palestinians and peace with your neighbors will be possible. The Arab league has offered the Israelis peace with all member states if Israel would abide by the 1967 borders and guess what, they have rejected it. It really is that simple, but Israel is in the business of war and their military industry would lose billions if peace came to them along with large US military grants. And "fighting for their homeland" is exactly what the Palestinians are doing. What would you do ?
Help me understand. It's ok for Israel to make threats, even ok to attack to "protect" itself, but if Iran makes threats, or even attacks to protect itself it's not ok. I'd be a little worried about the sanity of the leadership of Iran, but I'm not too sure the leadership of Israel is any more open minded. This much is for sure... no more American blood to be left in the Middle East and if Israel attacks Iran, let them live with the fallout, no pun intended..... if Iran attacks those who they fear, let Iran live with the fallout too.
Do you think Israel would be making these statements if Iran, and most of the Islamic world weren't saying that they want to push Israel into the sea ... or wipe them from the face of the earth. Study your history and maybe you will understand why they are acting they way they are.
To help you understand.......Isreal would be attacking to destroy the nuclear development NOT harm the population of IRan. Iran would be attacking to destroy all of Isreal targeting the entire population that IS the difference. GOT IT???
Can you tell me when the last time Iran attacked another country was? If Iran is working on a nuclear weapon wouldn’t they at least have to test it at some point of time? After ensuring that the device works it now has to be integrated into a weapons system and tested again. You also have to have enough material to build several of these weapons if you expect to be able to use them or establish a deterrent capability.
Now let's assume that Iran has several weapons and has developed a reliable delivery system. By the way, this would take years (probably decades) to accomplish and a great deal of resources they do not have. Why would they attack another country that has hundreds of these weapons with far more capable delivery systems and defense capabilities? -- (don't bring up the psychopath argument .... if that was true Iran would have attacked long ago).
There is more to this issue than meets the eye – what most everybody is responding to at this time is manipulative propaganda beating the drums of war. Are we really holding back Israel from attacking in the hopes of convincing Iran to end its nuclear program or are those in power merely waiting for the most advantages time (politically) to start a war.
N korea and Pakistan both have nukes and delivery systems. N korea would be happy to trade 5 nukes for $20 billion in oil. They would even sell nuclear garbage for Iran to make dirty bombs. Not all nukes have to be fired from 1500 miles. You could also put one in truck and drive it to the Israeli border.
Finally someone who is thinking logically! Very good points.
The difference is that Israel just wants to be left alone and to exist. Their neighbors do not want to allow that.
Kestrel6: Iran, like many of the other arabian countries have been waging an undeclared war on Isreal and the US for decades. Instead of formal armies and planes, they use well funded proxies and "terrorist" tactics.
As for the persuit of nuclear arms, you only really need to test portions of your nuclear device, and this can be done with non-nuclear results. The actual "nuclear bomb" portion of nuclear weapons is well understood. Full nuclear tests are simply a way of announcing that you have it, or attempting to improve on an existing design methodology. Iran does not have to do either. As for the delivery system, Google "iran missle test" they already have it.
yes.. a Brilliant idea to threaten both the United States & Israel with a pre-emptive strike.. Because it's a brilliant idea for a mouse to run out and bite the dogs foot...
Japan learned the hard way when they did the pre-emptive strike against the U.S. to involve the U.S. into World War II. Does Iran really think they can match U.S. Military precision weaponry and tanks with the 1980's weapon systems?? Really??
Seem's there feeling backed into a corner and only way is out is to fight.. except this is like casting a small stone into the ocean...
It appears to these people as long as they end up with their land (ie the Iraqi's and Afghan's) they think they won the war. Iran knows they will end up with their land no matter how destroyed it will become so in the end they will say they won the war. It sounds sick but think about it.
No, Iran doesn't think that it can withstand the USA, but Russia is not afraid of the USA, and Russia has already said, quite openly, that if the USA declares war on Iran, Russia will declare war on the USA. Yes, we know, America is invincible, right? Nazi Germany thought that it was, too, as did every other empire in history, until it bit off more than it could chew and choked on its meal. We had better really, really think about what we are doing. World War III is knocking at the door.
Russia will not declare war on the US. (not over a piece of @!$%#e like iran) It's not that stupid. It will let Iran destroy itself then go in afterwards and pick up the pieces. But not hardly though as Russia is not an islamic country.
ummmm... God's Revenge .... may not exactly end up well for them. So they might want to rethink that name.
@Shandril
Actually Russia is afraid of war with USA. Here is a repost of what I replied to you earlier, and a little bit of more information. During the cold war the USA was more up to going nuclear then Russia was. Why? Because the soviets knew they really didn't have anything. Intelligence we had gathered showed that 25% of their interballistic missles wouldn't even ignite, 25% would blow up in their silos, 25% would blow up over Russia, 20% would blow up in the outer atmosphere, 4% would disintegrate on reentry. 1% is all we had to worry about, while Russia would have to worry about 95% of our incoming payload. We believe in quality over quantity, the Russians were the opposite.
My earlier reply to you below.
Majority of Americans do not want war with Iran. It's not because we are afraid of Iran or the Russians. Which by the way wouldn't stand a chance against our military. Great example look at what the USA has lost in Afghanistan war, then look at what the Russians lost in about the same amount of time when they were in Afghanistan (29,204 KIA, 53,753 injuried, 415932 sick, 147 Tanks, 451 aircraft, 1314 IFV/APCs, 433 Artillery, 11,369 cargo/fuel tankers) (USA loses: 1,770 KIA, 15,138 injured, vehicles I was not able to get numbers for just Afghanistan but with Iraq and Afghan together no where close to the Russians lose) And their technology hasn't improved very much since then, remember the collapse of the Soviet Union destroyed them, they have been playing catch up ever since. So we Americans are not worried about Russia either, we are just tired of war. That is why we are trying sanctions
Really? Russia said no such thing. Use facts.
Guess corporate wall street would have to bust out some wallet then. The American taxpayers (99%) are already raped and bleeding.
"Hey, you pricks already paid for this @!$%#. Might as well use it right?" <--NWO board members to U.S. and Israeli 99%.
Indeed, Japan learned the hard way. But u just better pray if there was a military strike that it's not your city they target ....old weapon's systems or not.
Maybe Iran is thinking the saying, "the meek will inherit the earth" means them. I agree with the thought that the US should start covering their own borders, and not worry so much about others. Bring all the troops home. Kick all the illegals out. This is getting to be a very complicated world, with all the technological advances we have accomplished, and yes, being a "mighty" country might not protect us as well as we think. There is technology out there that can shut down all systems of electronics, power grids, interfere with radio transmissions. Our military depends heavily on those technologies to be effective. We're not too good anymore with close, up front fighting. We need our computer - driven drones, tanks, etc.
50% of the 99% don't pay taxes. 50% of taxes are paid by they top 3%
And if Russia did not go to war with the United States over an attack of Iran, I would not know if that would really be a good thing. I am think more about what Charlie Wilson did to them in their Afghanistan invasion. Would Russia really need to go to war with the United States or just use Iran as a proxy and supply them with weapons that are specifically designed to defeat United States tech-base. Most historians theorize that part of the reason of the fall of the old Communist block power-base was in part a result of what Charlie Wilson managed to accomplish against them without ever bring American forces into play.
I hope you've got a great understanding of those statistics because I will bury you with information regarding federal spending vs. tax payer interest.
@Squal_Rhino << Does Iran really think they can match U.S. Military precision weaponry and tanks with the 1980's weapon systems?? Really?? >>
Well, "U.S. Military precision weaponry" might stand a chance until NO-bama emasculates it, one of his top priorities.
Just go in and take them out..enough said.
Just as soon as you sign up and suit up keyboard commando.
We're waiting on you John.
John Hobble, don't death wish please.
You are suspended for a day for violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.
Umm allah, we're kinda running low on virgins because of the Syrian thing. Gonna have to order some more.
I wonder if that means the Iranians will strike Europe or America or just bomb Israel without much warning. It is an uncomfortable position to be in just waiting for a country like Iran to attack. Clearly, America is being manipulated by some Arab leaders who think that the US will do anything for cheap oil, including agree not to fight or sell out an ally like Israel.
Pretty obvious that these moozies have a death wish. I, for one, will not stand in their way.
I haven't heard any news about Iranian ships sailing up and down our coastline here in America. Have you?
Or maybe they are just talking shyt in an attempt to keep their own citizenry in fear.....similar to what the Military Industrial Complex and Career Politicians do in the West....you know talk up all this War Mongering BS to keep you in fear so they can bleed you dry like they have been doing since Vietnam...and what do you have to show for it.....lots of really nice memorials in D.C.
All you War Monger sympathizers and the generally fooled....you sign up your sons and daughters first....mine will stay home and protect the homeland when they come up on the beaches..... us old folk are still here waiting for the Commies at the moment.
I agree Yank, I can't believe how brazen they are to be doing this over and over so many times in one short decade. They are relying too heavily on the media to maintain control over the sheeple.
Phil, unfortunately, I do believe the Obama administration is willing to sell out a long time ally for cheaper (certainly not cheap) oil.
Everyone should be quiet and let Israel do what it needs to in order to protect itself. It has a duty to protect its interests and its people.
Most of those guys are rapists/killers/pedophiles/pedocides. Sometimes child-killers like them kill others before they kill themselves. Sometimes they just kill themselves. Sometimes they end up in jail or are put down (permanently) by police.
If you're looking for some kind of logic/intelligence, you won't find it looking at these pedophile. Same as with the group up in arms "supposedly" over the burning of their koran: It has nothing to do with burning some stupid buy-bull (bible, koran), it has to do with pedophiles.
Uh... wow. Listen, I think you're thinking about pedophilia too much. It might be a bad sign, you know?
LMAO
why are you bringing the catholics into this ? lol
Iran's radical government is itching for a fight, and it's just a matter of time until it happens. I just hope that when it comes we do it right and neuter these mad dogs. I feel sorry for the citizens. Their national wealth is being spent on a fool's errand.
Itching for a fight??? What planet are you living on? If another country did to us what we are doing to them -- we would have unleashed the dogs of war long ago. Let’s review the list: Assassinated Generals, Assassinated Scientists, a long standing embargo on trade, Stuxnet computer worm, sponsoring terrorism within Iran, and the planned oil embargo. Most of the actions mentioned are considered acts of war. --- Now who is really itching for WAR?
Don't worry. Iran is going to get a fight if they want it. In Syria. Their warships are now in a Syrian harbor. 2,000 Iranian guard members are now in Syria. Al Qaida in Iraq is now converging on Syria. Saudi Arabia (Sunni) is backing the protesters. Iran is backing Assad. The Sunni vs Shiites Showdown is starting. Saudi Arabia's military is much more modern than Iran's. Now if the Suadi's can control their Shiite citizens, Iran is in big trouble. America and Israel don't need to lift a finger
So you don't think the proximity of Syria to Israel has anything to do with Iran's decision to send a destroyer and support ship into the Mediterranean? And what will Saudi Arabia gain by supporting the protesters in Syria that they wont lose by pissing off their citizens? They already had to up the welfare handouts to quell the Shiites during the so called arab spring.
war will happen. people need to buy guns now while you still can! the government can't save you....SAVE YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I am sure that your grand daddy's shotgun would do a lot of good against a 200,000 pound tank.
It seems as though Iran is doing the same thing the US would do and does if felt threatened by another country.What would the US do if a foriegn power told us what we could or could not do??That is the question..
This just in : allah, the reputed leader of the muslim gang, said at a news conference earlier this evening that " we are running short of virgins. All martyrs will only recieve half of what you were promsed untill further notice." Film at eleven.
hang on folks after action that will take maybe 5 minutes gas will be 1.50 a gallon.
Smoke yer breakfast Joe? You'll never see that price again unless you're buying a stick of gum.
The Bush administration said Iraq war would last 2 weeks.
bush is not president,bin ladens killer is
Not sure everyone is getting the whole picture here Irans President [ lets just call him Achjemida not sure of the spelling] has said he is here to bring the 12th IAM back to destroy the infadels. He knows what will happen if he strikes first, it will bring the war to unite the Muslims and bring on the end times. Yes it may be suicidal to strike first but that is their mentality. Who is the 12th IAM? Why is our government not supporting our best ally in the world? What is the New World Order? Open your eyes the events that are taking place have been written in the Bible and the Quran. For those that can see our redemtion draws near, for those who scoff they will get what they deserve.
The Bible was written first and the Quran was a twisted remake of it by someone in a cave.
They are both F&*@^king BOOKS! Get over it.
Not true watchman, not all of the Arab countries get along with Iran. That is a fact.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
"Forgive them, Father! They know not what they do."
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
"The meek shall inherit the earth."
"Turn the other cheek."
"...those who scoff they will get what they deserve."
Isn't there a passage in Revelations where Jesus mentions that he will turn his face away from those who propagate iniquity?? I understand that the christ promised Christians persecution - but where were they granted leave to persecute?? Just sayin'.
...curtain time looms. The Saudis have given overflight permission . . . and use of an obscure airfield.
What....you the CIA, or just a mouthpiece for the Military Industrial Complex...the Saudies aint friendly with the Iranians ..... and who would buy their oil if the west was destroyed by Iran....as if.....they may be towel heads but they aint stupid. You on the other hand I'm not so sure about.
You been down under too long, Yank. Glueball refering to the FACT that the Saudi's have given the ISRAELI's flyover permission. They did that about six months ago. The Saudi's are Arabs and mostly Suuni,,, they can't stand the PERSIANS who are mostly SHIA/Shiite Iranians. But, no worries, mate, go get a VB.
if the west were destroyed by Iran? How the hell could THAT happen?
like a flea attacking an elephant!
What if the flea had chemical and biological weapons that could wipe out the elephant? Just sayin'.
Perry ..... that is about as believable as them giving the Iranian some accommodation.....where do you come up with this stuff, how is it that you know it if its secret, obscure, etc.... so who do the Iranians strike the Saudis or the Israelis?
I am quite well aware of who is who in the Middle East and it is pretty stupid to believe that the Saudis would be granting accommodations to either party. If Gluebrain is going to make stuff up at least make it somewhat sensible as opposed to just dribble and you believe what you want....that don't make it fact.
Way ahead of ya....in fact a day ahead of you most of the time.
Any editors on staff and working today....
journalism is four blocks down and on the left.
When you have a country that names their war games, "God's Revenge" that tells the world that the leaders of this country should never, ever have a nuclear weapon!
Wow............can't wait until teatards turn America into a threocracy like Iran......
They already have. Haven't you noticed?
Praise the Lord & pass the ammo.......all we need now is a little more fear mongering.......
You have to wait as the dictator in chief obama isn't done screwing our country up yet.
hm nice name 7.62, I bet you can't wait to start gunning down all of us heretics when you finally get your long sought theocrazy.
@Cirnobyl Violence will be answered, peace will be answered with peace. The US Army trained me well as a 13F10 and I will always stand up for we the people of the USA against our enemys. How about you?, will you stand and defend our nation, or will you run and hide?.
"............can't wait until teatards turn America into a threocracy like Iran......"
Yeah I definitley lay awake at night worrying about those evil scary sunday school teachers and organ players at the local Church of Christ down the street. Why the other day they actually had the nerve to hold some evil scary bake sale...Oh and horror of horrors...one of them actually invited me to Sunday School...I almost crapped my pants.
Yeesh...dude...give it up...we are NEVER going to buy the crap you are trying to sell.
7.63x39mm.
You are a young fool. may be if we were really fighting and protecting our country, we wouldn't be in the pocket of the Chinese, and having them telling us to live with in our means, because we would stay within our shores and really protect this country and not trying to conquer the world!.. may be you should read your bible and you probably soon see what happen to countries like ours, don't forget that once up on a time Rome was the center of attention, ruling the world. it is also said their soldiers were the ones who help to crucified Jesus. now what has happen to them now?. we are heading in the same direction, id we don't wake up soon!.
All you people spouting about the "TEA Tards" are just showing your ignorance. The T.E.A. party is about government waste and over-reaching the constitutional bounds of their power. It's true that most are of the Judeo-Christian religious persuasion, however, they do not want to turn the country into a theocracy. The aims of the T.E.A. (Taxed Enough Already) party are to return the government budget to a more sensible level and balance the budget just like you have to balance your own checkbook. The TEA party also wants to return the government to it's constitutionally mandated levels of enforcement of the law (Remember the whole Immigration problem? What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you understand?) The TEA party wants smaller government, they want the Constitution to become the "Law of the Land" once again.
What I can't understand is how it is OK, with you, for the government to take out trillions of dollars of unsecured loans that will have to be paid back by our great grandchildren without their consent. The founding fathers fought a revolution over much less than what is going on here in the once great USA. When will the people wake up?
13F10?? "Fire Support Specialist"? Really? Well, the Army trained me well as a 92G38 (Food Service Specialist, Staff Sergeant, Army Instructor), but I don't try to insinuate that it makes me dangerous.
If you were a 12- or 18-series, or had a V ASI, you might be bad ass. But lets face it, you're an artillery bitch. They don't even let you pull the trigger.
Don't pose, dude. It makes us (Army) all look stupid.
Hey "chuckler-3100463" << Wow............can't wait until teatards turn America into a threocracy like Iran......>>
Wow, what a total MORON. Spoken just like an "occutard" would. Get a bath, get a shave and a haircut, and get a job, moron. Get out of daddy's basement and lose the gaming console.
nobody stopped the US from making and having Nukes, we used it on Japan, explain to me the difference?????? WE need to keep our noses out of the arses of other countries. Iran can have nuclear generated electricity, why not?
...and we have not used them since.
The difference is that a nuclear armed Iran is not in our interests, or in the interests of the western world. Nor is it in the world's interests.
With each new nation which joins the nuclear weapons club, it increases the likelihood that either some world leader will use a nuclear bomb, or that such a weapon will fall into the hands of a terrorist group.
I'm not advocating war with Iran, and despite their saber rattling, I do not believe Iran wants to take preemptive action against the U.S. But I do feel we should use all non-military means to dissuade Iran from attaining a nuclear weapons capability.
BTW: I do not believe anybody has a problem with Iran's pursuit of nuclear technology for peaceful purposes, such as the generation of electricity.
Of course its not in the interest of the west. If they get the bomb, we won't be able to invade them. We might even have to deal with them on a even diplomatic footing.
Scary.
The only thing is iran will not use it for peaceful purposes. There is nothing peaceful about that sand pit.
Because a by-product of nuclear generated electricity is plutonium. The super powers are worried that Iran is using nuclear generated electricity as a loophole to get nuclear weapons.
My of the super powers are trying to reduce nuclear weapon stockpiles and two keep weapons of this magnitude limited to the countries that already have them. Iran is challenging this. In an ideal world, it wouldn't be a problem for Iran to have nukes. The problem is, its not an ideal world. If they get nukes then certain actions will follow that could lead to world war III. Nobody wants that. In this day and age, nearly all land life on our planet will be destroyed by that war.
The world has changed too much over the last 70 years. If every person in this world had a magic button that they could press to end the world, then you know that someone would eventually get suicidal and press the button. The same thing holds true if every country in the world has access to this magic button. Eventually, some country will feel threatened and press it. I wish that the USA, Russia, UK, France and etc. did not have these magic buttons. That being said, they have them and you can't take them away or they will press them. Lets work together to insure that no more countries get the magic buttons. I hope this is clear...its a matter of world survival and is much larger than a single country.
Every time Iran rattles their sword, gasoline prices go up in the USA.
Big Oil....what a game!
Master, you took the words right out of my mouth. I think Iran is making this statement and military practice to drive up the price of oil in response to our economic sanctions (brilliant move by Iran)
Besides that, Iran is threatening to attack the free world, not to generate nuclear power. Did anyone read the story? We don't get any oil from Iran, so if Iran disappears tomorrow, (a good idea) there should be no interruption in our oil.
Should there be an interruption in our oil, we have more than enough in this country for the next 200 years in the Dakotas, Wyoming and Montana. Our biggest source of "foreign oil" is from Canada. They are begging to sell us more, and when we get rid of this Muslim president, that is just what will happen.
The middle east is on the way out as an oil supplier. The threats, wars and general destructive behavior is too expensive per barrel of oil. Screw them. Unless they open fire, and then blow them to Allah's outhouse.
Talk about a fear-monger!
I honestly think most of you who believe that with we threatening Iran for years, and some how we have the right to do so, but they don't have the right to do the same to use , seem to be living under some cave!...
Steve the dog man.
Get this in your pig head, the world is free the last time I checked!.. I am sure its not in Iran that its citizens are blacklisted from even fly on a domestic airline in their own country because of fear they will kill each others, : Let me guess" Oh yea its in the free loving America. this is the country where we preach freedom , but we act like a dictatorship worst than Iran, I never hear that an Iranian have to have their granny strip naked in the airport to be search for bomb she may have in her adult diaper. and little babies too. but these things happen right here in our own so-call freedom loving country!..
Wow... you are an experience to read. I am reflecting on how your mind works... it's not a pretty sight, but surely "interesting". You ALMOST have a valid point or two hidden in your venom and sarcasm. OK, I'll just have a good laugh and move on to the rational posts.
Of course nobody stopped us from making and having nukes. The US invented them and has done the most research on them.
"explain to me the difference".........Pearl Harbor